How scientists really feel about God

Science can only be interested in things which can be proven empirically. Faith cannot be reproduced in a laboratory. Any scientist who says there is no god is no longer acting as a scientist, they have gone over into theology. Certainly science has shown the Book of Genesis is not literally true. Archealogy (forgive any bad spelling please) has cast doubt on the literal interpretation of many other books. Neither has proven god does not exist. That's illogical anyway. My High School debate coach always told us; never get suckered into trying to prove a negative.

If you believe that things do not spontaneously come into existence, than you believe (as I do) that everything comes from somewhere, people, plants, the universe.

Go back in time as far as you can imagine. Because of the fact that we are here, and that the universe is here, there must have been some enitity to get it all going. Well, were did that entity come from? Well, it couldn't have. It must always have been.

In other words, there always was some entity (God). He always existed, no matter how far back you go in time. Where did He come from? He didn't. He was always there.

A scientists will have to admit that and entity ALWAYS existed. Science cannot come to terms with that concept. That alone tells me there is a God, and that he always was. ALWAYS.

If you believe that things do not spontaneously come into existence, than you believe (as I do) that everything comes from somewhere, people, plants, the universe.

Go back in time as far as you can imagine. Because of the fact that we are here, and that the universe is here, there must have been some entity to get it all going. Well, were did that entity come from? Well, it couldn't have. It must always have been.

In other words, there always was some entity (God). He always existed, no matter how far back you go in time. Where did He come from? He didn't. He was always there.

A scientists will have to admit that and entity ALWAYS existed. Science cannot come to terms with that concept. That alone tells me there is a God, and that he always was. ALWAYS.

My humble opinion is that God is the greatest Alchemist of the world. As I read through several of the discussion responses I see the same arguments posted repeatedly by both sides. These are the same arguments that you can hear on the streets of any given day - if people so dare to endure the debate. Having studied both the sciences and the bible respectively and comparatively I feel I have a pretty good understanding of both. For those of you who believe such as Dan Tanner, who says, "No complete scientist should believe in magic or myth or any proposition that can't be tested." My question to you is why do you believe in the feelings that you feel. I'm not talking about physical feelings such as hunger, cold, hot, etc. We as scientis know how those feelings are derived physiolocially. I'm talking about the feeling of happiness, pride - such as when you see your child accomplish a certain feat-, love, sorrow, guilt - as when you know that you've wronged someone-, remorse, etc. All of these are propositions that cannot be proven - as to the how or the why, yet they exist. By the way, psychology does not explain feelings, it merely trys to interpret the behaviors that follow such feelings.

Let me say this my young @911 be informed before you speak. Evolution still exist today. You will not see it "right before your eyes" because it is a slow process that happens over generations, to an entire population, not a single individual. There are certain species of insects, birds, and plants that you can look up on line that have changed over the years, to enhance overall fitness, but are clearly from the same Genus. However, for those of you who dispute God's hand in evolution how can you explain the perfect genius of the human body? The most complicated organism on this earth. You actually believe that the human body - or lesser forms, in physical complication, primates, mammals, etc., not only formed all of our organs, from a single cell no less, but also managed to make them work in perfect unison. We are talking about the endoctrin, circulatory, respritory, neurological, etc....systems all working in perfect unison. Even the single cell Amoba is complex.

As for the bible; This book was not wrote in a 150 year time span, this book was writen over approximately 3500 years. These people did not know each other. There were no cars, telephones, TV's, radio or other communication devises that we enjoy today. They came from different regions. And yet - if you read the bible, and truely study it - you will find predictions that were made by prophets in say 1500 bc about events that did not take place for another 1500+ years, or 500 years. Not to mention, there has not been - not even to this day - a book so widely known, studied or debated as the Holy Bible, nor has there ever been a man such as Jesus of Nazareth so wide known and he only lived 33 years. Further he only preached for 3 of those years. As a scientist, I do not believe in coincidents, I never have, and I refuse to make an exception here.

I hear all the time that Christians believe in God, Jesus and Heaven because it makes them feel better about some sort of after-life. I present a counter argument. Many refuse to believe in God, Jesus, and Heaven because it would make them accountable for the way they live their lives today. We live in a society today where everything goes. As long as it betters your situation, no matter who you hurt or wrong, even if it's your own integrity, it's OK because in the end your are only accountable to your self. If you dispute that, just pick up a news paper, get on-line, listen to the radio. You can choose any catagory; world, national - we've all heard and read about Casey and Calee Anthony, what could a 3 year old possibly have done to deserve her fate?, local, sports - think about all the pro athletes currently being charged-, living, even classified ads- we have a man up for the murder of a nanny who answered a classified ad and a young woman willing to sell off her virginity to the highest bidder.

God gives us free will. It is not his fault that we live in such an ugly society. He does not adher to any wrongs from genicide all the down to disrespecting your parents. And the fact that we continue to act in such a way, does not disprove him. True, science has not proven the existence of God, however, it has also not disproved it.

Whether this is or is not a god, blah blah blah - Do you ever nom nom nom and especially given the science! In my own yada yada yada! And let me be adamant about that - I'm with good thing! Definitely not the bad thing...(so let's do it as they do on the discovery channel) - On the off chance that anyone reads this, there is a Quantum Reality to the God - it has to do with science - let me just say that blah blah blah...And if you're still interested then just be patient and I think you'll all be satisfied with the outcome. Thanks be to yehwah..whatever...

In antithesis of this statement and thus the rooting of a particle reality is the fact that God does not exist - Well not all of it - Since it says father son and holy spirit - Seek and yee shall find - if you knock knock knock the door, he'll open up for you every time! That means this whole epidemic is mind numbing and tiring? I know no-one will read this but what if it was true - what if the Easter bunny does give you Easter eggs, since without the Easter Bunny Myth, its agents, namely the parents would not bother taking part in the ritual, this validates the 'promises' made by Santa Klaus and other froods from our mythos - Is our belief in Santa and the Easter Bunny so vehement that we make no place for God? What if he loaned you a twenty every fourth of July? Probably would get a better deal...

'And so it was written, that on the fourth day of the seventh month, the lord almighty would be good for a twenny' - Scholars refute the use of 'twenny' believing it to be some kind of pure soul - linguistics experts believe it to be a slur intoning 'twenny' meaning twenty dollars, and the scientist find the whole thing outrageous as they have good paying jobs - if anything, loans of twenty dollars should be made available from banks only -

There are even further arguments that the 'twenny' should be slipped casually to believers, and the loan interest free - mates rates and all - if the twenty dollars is not repaid - there is every chance that there will be dues - which phonetically sounds like jews - Since angels came first and God only gives a 'twenny about humanity' you have to consider the things you owe the lord. Fanatics and skeptics believe this 'twenny' to have some complications when it comes to interest, different variations of the compounds, and so called 'interest free period' which has been highly scrutinised over. And the question of how repayments are to be made is also a sense of confusion - logicians state - if I borrow a twenny then how am I to pay it back? This would answer a lot of questions for believers - and might create a unified version of what 'good for a twenny actually means'...In China and other countries there is very little observation of the 'twenny' principle because 'twenny' in many Asian countries doesn't even get you a meal - their economies tend to demand 'two thou' and the like which makes the Western nations with their decimal denominations jealous of the overwhelming numeracy of Eastern demands...'Two thou' isn't practical for it is written 'naa, is', orright'.

And thus the joke - God walked into a bar and asked the bartender - you got a twenny, I've got to pay the parking? To which the bartender replies - Don't you ride the bus? And then God ran away - proving that he neither caught the bus or drove - and the mystery of his intentions remain to this day.

So there if God's word is true - there must be dues, but what are you supposed to do with them? Send your twenty to me - I'll give you an address in second...stuff - 'dun worry bout it' a stipulation of the 'naa - its orright' excerp from the passages spoken towards midnight in a completely different pub.

Obviously...

Eventually he got sick of pubs and constructed a beer volcano.

Is it possible to believe in both God (or religion) and science?

Billions of people do; that much is undeniable. That others do not is also undeniable.

Does science prove that God exists? No.

Does science prove that God does not exist? No.

Is it necessary, or even desirable, for one to have scientific proof of God in order to believe? It is certainly not necessary, that is what Fath is for, and it is not necessarily even desirable. Again, that is what Faith is for.

Is there "evidence" that God exists? Our own existence can be take as evidence, or not, as we see fit.

In response to LonoKemp, who attempts to prove the invalidity of all religion by saying that every religion provides a different answer as to why we exist and then comments: "Every answer is different. Therefore no answer can be considered correct." Surely you see the false logic of that premise. On a standard multiple choice test, every answer is different, yet one is correct while the others are not. I don't imply that one or some or all or no religions are valid, only that a difference of opinion does not "prove" that all opinions are wrong. Two plus two still equals four even when someone proposes three as the correct answer.

As to what existed before the big bang, the fact that we may never be able to measure it, does not mean that nothing existed. Nor is there any reason to believe that there is no matter or energy besides that associated with the big bang. Just because a big bang happened "here" it does not prove that nothing (or anything) happened over "there". The true universe could consist of several or quadrillions of big bangs, with or without things that are not attributable to big bangs. As LonoKemp points out, our current level of science has no way to "prove" matters either way. So it is with God as well.

Science is something you can believe. There is proof and evidence and a constant test and re-evaluation as new evidence surfaces. Any belief in a superior omnipotent being which could care about such primitive short lived mammels is more of a hope than a belief. A scientist can believe in science and still hope in a all powerful spirit.

I used to be an agnostic... religion offended my sense of logic and reason... that is until I read one of the great mathematician Rene Descartes' works: Meditations on First Philosophy: In Which the Existence of God and the Distinction of the Soul from the Body Are Demonstrated. He proved to my satisfaction with logic and reason the existence of a god. Not the God of standard religions, but a god. I later learned about Deism - practiced by some of the Founding Fathers. The first line in Wikipedia about Deism really sums it up: "Deism is a religious and philosophical belief that a supreme being created the universe, and that this (and religious truth in general) can be determined using reason and observation of the natural world alone, without a need for either faith or organized religion." So do I believe you can believe in "religion and science", YES. I do not believe in "organized religion and science".